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nick werle

seems Cleland was vindicated and Bush wrong

but Bush put together commission that does nothing until AFTER the election

500 GIs dead for NOTHING!

Danny

Seems Nick Werle above is the typical "Michael Moore" hate America first member. You seem to miss the forest for the trees Nick. You, like most liberals, view the downfall of a socialist, murdering, rapist, WMD using, thief, war aggressor, terrorist state supporting, thug like Saddam as some type of hero. You refuse to see the sight of several hundred thousand individuals buried in mass graves, the people put through shredders, heads cut off, summary execution without trial, tongues cut out, heads blown off, people tortured in prisons, he and his sons raping young girls in front of their mothers and fathers. Your typical liberal vent is no war, no nothing. It never ceases to amaze me how leftist like you love to rant about this country, yet you hide behind the flag and the protection that patriots give you in your cowardly manner. You love socialism, yet you will not go live in a socialist state like the Soviet Union because you know that your mouth and actions would get your butt plastered up against a wall and you would be shot with no questions asked. You people are a drain on the natural resources of this nation. Do us all a favor whining cry baby, move somewhere else, like Iraq, Iran, the Soviet Union or even socialist France. You will be among your kind there. You are a coward.

Jake

Christ Danny that is some of the most nonsensical ravings I have ever heard. Socialism of course advocates ownership of all business and capital by the government. Capitalism, if you have a clue about Adam Smith, is the opposite. Of course he said through greed everybody would be taken care of is this system. When he realized that greed itself was not enough he said an "invisible hand" would guide capitalism. Well the invisible hand should our government. There sure as hell is none other out there to hold capitalism accountable. On last thing why the hell would Nick want to move to another country? He would than be subject to our foreign policy. If you really believe this is about right/left conservative/liberal than you might as well go put your head back in the sand.

Colin MacLeod

Don't want to make you all self-conscious, and you're welcome to continue discussing Cleland here, but I have to say I am curious about what has brought you all to the parts. I've been unable to keep up this blog for most of two months now, and yet I see that this early post, from last September, is suddenly attracting discussion. I also see that my site register shows lots of searches associated with Max Cleland. Is this the result of Cleland's recent prominence in the Kerry campaign? Some new Cleland story or statement or event? Do you guys know each other from somewhere else?


David

Cleland can't get past hatred and bitterness, thinking his displays of both indicate an ability to think and to lead. His judgment was impaired long before he "left limbs on the battlefield", as his promoters continually parrot. Actually, a look at his record indicates he was not on the battlefield, but was headed, with some buddies, to a hooker bar to have some beer and whores. He stepped off the helicopter, and saw a grenade lying on the ground. He claims he thought he dropped it, so he reached down to pick it up, and it blew. What's wrong with that scenario? First, not many would want to pick up a stray grenade, unless they were damn certain it was one of theirs. Judgment apparently fled this self-proclaimed genius. Second, consider the fact that, if it exploded when he went to pick it up, the pin had been removed within the past three seconds, meaning somebody intended that little device to explode NOW. Pins don't "fall out" when they're just dropped accidentally. So, then, who wanted the grenade to explode? And why? Unfortunately for them, a number of those who could be described as "useless slugs", or who were such selfpromoting assholes that nobody could stand to have them around any longer, or who posed too great a danger to their fellow soldiers, seemed to be recipients of what became known as "fragging". Simple matter- pop the pin of a fragmentation grenade, roll it under their chair, slip it inside their blouse, or hang it on the back of their "A" gear, and the problem was instantly solved. Do you suppose the hero Cleland earned such an honor? I'll bet there's some poor grunt out there, assuming he survived to come home, kicking his own ass because that grenade propelled Cleland into a "heroism" that hasn't been accorded those who did earn it.

If you really want tears to come to your eyes, read this bit of tripe. It says "during the seige of Khe Sahn", Cleland got wounded. Fortunately, it avoids the untruth that he was actually at Khe Sahn, which he was not, when it happened, but it implies so. Sorry, there were no bars or hookers in Khe Sahn, but just including that statement is an attempt to disguise the truth. There were a lot of things happening during the seige of Khe Sahn, all over the world. In fact, my wife gave birth to a daughter during that time, but my daughter isn't VietNamese- she was born at Fort Gordon! Or, go down to Livonia, Georgia and talk to some of those who knew him before he managed to become an icon of the LLL (Liberal Loony Left). Of course, here's what he had to say about losing his re-election, where Saxby Chambliss was believed to represent the feelings of Georgians more than Cleland ever did. Guess he must have thought he deserved to continue sloshing around in the taxpayer money trough simply because he was the great Max Cleland! His own words:
"It was the second big grenade in my life,'' he says. "It blew me up. It
happened very quickly and very intensely, and I was left with virtually
nothing but my life."
I hate to break the news to him, but there were 50,000 other heroes, men and women, and all their families, who would have been overjoyed to be able to have that much.
Here's the link. Have an extra hanky handy.
http://www.veteransforpeace.org/Max_Cleland_07030

Colin MacLeod

Thanks, David - I don't know much about Cleland's personal biography, and I have no informed opinion regarding your speculation about Cleland possibly being the victim of fragging, but Cleland's own words confirm that he did, indeed, suffer the loss to Chambliss as the second most traumatic event of his life. I may have to fit his statements into a revised version of the above.

By the way, the link you provided needs to be completed by a ".htm" to get you to the page.

This should work:

http://www.veteransforpeace.org/Max_Cleland_07030.htm

I suspect there will be many opportunities over the coming months for us all to re-visit Vietnam. Supposedly, no one really wants to do that, but I for one would welcome the discussion.

(Still wondering why this discussion has suddenly picked up. Just one of those random blogospherical events I guess.)

nick

nope, dont know these guys.

but the commission IS doing something before election, getting truth out how Iraq was planned.

Now will be 700 dead GIs for nothing
and no turn over in June

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